Beta: New and Improved On Later

So yeah, they don’t line up.

But seeing that the point of the Pluto project is to get the data as normalized as possible for Channels, I’ll take a look at scrubbing stuff.

This is sort of new for Channels, using this kind of meta data this way. So thanks for pointing it out.

I’ll look into massaging the Pluto genres into our expected ones.


Thank You. Really appreciate the work you did on the Pluto docker for Channels. Without it, I never would have incorporated Pluto in Channels DVR.

This is brilliant, perfectly implemented. I'm finding it very useful already. Thanks!

I do like the way you're going with gathering and indexing the metadata.
What good is a DVR for recording or a Library for searching, without good metadata.

I am just now exploring this new update. From what I have looked at so far, I love it. This has been a long time coming. I can't wait to see where this new update goes. Thank You!


Unless I didn't (IIRC)

I thought previously when you clicked on a Movie/Show in Live TV>On Later>On Tonight
That it brought up a synopsis of it.

Clicking one from Pluto
Brings up "No upcoming airings."

I guess the correct terminology here is undefined is not a valid SeriesID.

Clicking the same Movie from Live TV>On Later>Movies>Drama works

Where in this case pluto/5e741e80725522001446ff09/E1 is a valid SeriesID.

If I click on one from Live TV>On Later>Upcoming Movies, it works

Again pluto/60d27f5c1e23180013bea295/E1 is a valid SeriesID.

Is this just a Pluto guide issue causing problems or is it code in the New and Improved On Later?

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So this will kinda give me the ability to search by channel?

It works for recorded content in your Library, but not the guide. Use channel=###, or channel=[###, ###] to limit recordings based upon the channel number it recorded from.

Ok, maybe I’m just really tired, it’s late where I am, but I can’t figure out how to access the fine tune menu. I’ve looked in the web client and on my Apple TV beta and my iPad beta and I just don’t see it. Where is it?

You have to update the dvr to latest prerelease, then you'll find the button at the top right of the web On Later page.

I am disappointed with the On Later filter.

I have followed the string and see that the party-line follows the more open minded, politically correct, all inclusive with guidance from above approach, but I would prefer to choose my own channels.

So far the “genius” algorithms have not worked for me.

Keep up the good work but please consider allowing your followers to make their own choices and filter out what they don’t want to see (even if you think it is good for them).


Huh? Was that sarcasm?

You can pick "Preferred Channels" when you click the fine tune button. Bright, smiling world after that.

It is the ‘”Preferred Channels" when you click the fine tune button’ aspect that I am referring to.

As described earlier in this thread the “Preferred Channels” selection emphasizes the channels picked, but is not exclusive. That is the feature that the developers laud as special because it allows the user to see the programing on their preferred channels while at the same time not cutting off the user from other programing that is deemed appropriate.

The reply that I was expecting was, “If you don’t like it, don’t use it,” and that’s fair enough.

But I will miss the previous iteration’s two movies filters which while their names did not define their functions, allowed the user to pick exclusively from a list of preferred channels (actually the user’s “favorites” channels) or from a list of all upcoming programs.

I’m not looking for a fight. And I thank you for your thoughtful replies. In the grand scheme of things I love Channels DVR. This is a small issue best let go.

I am suggesting that there is such a thing as overdeveloping.

You seem to be sincere and I accept your feedback. But I don't accept your conclusion that this is an example of a overdeveloped feature. Unlike a lot of products out there (ie Plex) that have a ton of "features" that are pretty cool to look at but have no real day-to-day value, I can't think of a single feature in Channels that is not relevant and useful. I share your disappointment that New and Improved On Later has only confirmed that there really isn't much on TV that I want to watch. But that's on me. Maybe in time we will be able to do more to fine tune recommendations to our personal preferences, but that will require more development, not less.

This has frustrated me because I can't figure out why I get the results I do.
To troubleshoot I've set only 12 channels as favorites and the same 12 in Fine Tune.
Live TV>On Later>On Tonight only shows three items.

None of them are from my favorite channels or Fine Tune On Later Preferred Channels.

Barbarella (1968) is on channel 9042 "Pluto TV Sci-Fi"
Trainspotting (1996) is on channel 9020 "90s Throwback"
What's the Worst That Could Happen? (2001) is on channel 9135 "Kevin Hart’s LOL! Network"

What is going on?

We can take a look at this, but as of now, Custom Channels have not been rigorously tested with this feature, as we’ve developed it mostly for our standard supported sources in mind.

As a reminder, custom channels don’t always have the same metadata included as those that are backed by Gracenote data.

It’s also worth nothing, that airings are pulled from the whole database, not just the channels you selected. Airings that map to your preferred channels (and genres, etc) get boosted to the top of the results.

Airings are also only pulled when tagged as “New”. As the point of this is to show you new and interesting things that are on, not a list of reruns.

This is probably where the issues with Pluto come in. Episodic airings are never New.


I understand that, but it does contain Channel numbers.

Until this gets resolved I want to go back to the prerelease version before this was introduced. What version is that and how do I download it?
Channels DVR only saves six versions and my earliest is 2021.08.05.2222