Restricting Copying of recordings might be a stretch
But maybe, at least, if Channels did not allow recording of DRM channels at all,
at least you could watch from the Guide as always, and with (I think) up to a 4 hour buffer, not so bad.
and not have to use the Chrome Capture etc... but that would still be there for those that want it.
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Yes... i live in a rural area (Near Cedar Key, FL). We get hit by every hurricane in the Gulf. Requiring internet to watch TV is ludicrous. Especially since over 1/2 our county has no access to high speed internet. The new DRM just straight up makes no sense. Goodbye watching the News on Antenna durring hurricane. Goodbye emergency broadcast. Fuck, even if you have internet, odds are that your internet will be down during hurricane. Meaning you still wont be able to watch news/weather forcast during emergencies. Way to go ATSC 3.0. I hope everyone involved in cresting ATSC 3.0 DRM comes down with a case of CRPS (Complex regional pain syndrome). Every single one of them deserves it.
End of rant.
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TV's with ATSC3.0 tuners don't require internet. I expect there will be some external tuners that won't require internet. In a few years we will see what is available. DRM is a bad deal for us Channels users. But emergency access to DRM channels can be had with the right device.
While that is factually true you need to expand and include "TVs with ATSC3.0 tuners don't require internet for signals that are not DRM'd." Internet access is (currently) required for DRM viewing.
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I was under the impression the "internet connection" was going to be part of the ATSC 3 signal.
No reason it shouldn't be, the bandwidth to police your viewing would be negligible.
Not true. The keys are embedded in the TVs.
They still need internet access to check for revocation and firmware updates.
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Please cite your source for this, because everything I see on it says otherwise.
See 5.4 on mandatory certificate rotation and 5.5 on revocation. Maybe 5.7 as well.
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If I can't record it, it is of zero value to me.
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I have seen mixed things online about TV (with native atsc 3.0 support) requiring internet connections. I cant test yet.
If anyone on forums has ATSC 3.0 tv with ATSC DRM encrypted stations in there area, and a TV that has not been connected to internet for at least 30 days (in case there is some kind of cached token system) i would love for them to test.
Also since ATSC 3.0 can be used for internet. There is 0 reason for requiring a internet connection. Doing so it just creating yet another barrier to entry. Because the ATSC 3.0 signal can be its own internet connection.
I stand by my wish for the ATSC 3.0 people to contract CRPS. Does anyone have the dragonballs or a magic lamp.
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Only 6.
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Except from the ATSC Presiden Madeleine Noland ATSC President: Look For NextGenTV Label To Avoid Your TVâs OTA Obsolescene â HD Guru
You cannot earn the [NextGenTV] logo for your product if you donât have the [Digital Rights Management] DRM in place working correctly seamlessly for the consumer. The consumer doesnât have to go out and get a license key. The consumer doesnât have to do anything from the use experience. You turn on the TV, you go to the NextGenTV source, you see pictures and hear the sound even though itâs encrypted because the device is built to do the decrypt. The logo verifies that. Now, in terms of whether a TV is going to be obsoleted, one of the things thatâs really exciting is that the vendor who is doing the encryption service is Google Widevine. What they did was they said, `We have to recognize that not all TVs are going to be connected to the internet. Some of them are going to be over-the-air only. And so we have to bake into the product during the manufacture enough license keys that if we have to retire one because it got breached, we can do it and the TV is still good to go â it will seamlessly and cost-free decrypt the content for the viewer. But that logo is what you have to have [to be assured it is future ready]. If you havenât got the logo on the product or its packaging then chances are that the item might not work for the encrypted content thatâs coming.
Now that first part seems to fly in the face of SD saying they've already been certified for NextGenTV and that DRM decryption capability is separate from that. Either the goalposts have been moved, or SD is not being entirely transparent here. Either is possible.
Unfortunately press statements are notoriously wrong. Not just in regards to ATSC 3.0 but all press statements by all companies.
Unless that is BAKED into a law/regulation. That promise is worth absolutely nothing.
- Is NextGenTV certification a different certification then external tuners?
- If NextGenTV certification is the same certification for both, Then she is 100% lying.
As evident that ADTH box required internet and is certified.
So that lying [insert expletive] needs to be fired.
My understanding is her statement is a blanket statement for ALL atsc 3.0 certified devices.
In regards to TV tuners. Can someone test this?
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NickK says this:
Since the article is from January 2023, that doesn't explain it.
Someone needs to tell me what exactly the NextGenTV logo is for then, because if it doesn't mean that your device is compatible with the most onerous part of the specification (DRM), then it's meaningless.
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Except when there is an a disaster like the recent hurricane. People have said they have lost internet entirely during and after the hurricane. So how are people going to receive emergency broadcasts when atsc1 is retired in these circumstances.
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I think you're missing my point.
I think A3SA is just stringing SD along until they give up asking, and they'll never certify our HDHR's to decode DRM. I hope I'm wrong, but IMO, everything sure seems to point that way.
This is interesting posted by NICK ....
If the broadcaster sets an expiry date the recording won't play after that date. The record engine may delete the recording so as to not waste space with an unplayable recording.
A recent announcement from A3SA indicates that broadcasters should not set an expiry date on recording, at least until ATSC 1.0 goes away. This is not in stone - the guideline can be changed at any time if 3 or more member broadcasters decide to change it.
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