Is PlayOn Legal

Im curious to the legality of such a service and its integration in to Channels DVR. compared to other methods of acquiring such content,.

I see no difference in acquiring such videos/tv shows/movies via some service that captures in some fashion, either pulls the raw video stream somehow, or does real time screen cap like thing...or pulls the video file stream and manages to remove the DRM....vs just torrenting downloading some one else's rip, (which, may have already used such a product or service to make said rip.) Or, if i use the service legit, and screen cap the content my self.

There are several shows that are exclusive to such streaming platforms, such as Star Trek is to CBS all access etc, that i refuse to sign up and pay for to watch.
Why would i want to pay for some other service, (even if it is cheaper) to acquire said content in some multi step convolved indirect way....where it takes 10 secs to go to popular tor site, and import torr link to client, direct downloads, and the file is there. How is the 2 methods any more or less illegal than the other?

Just cause you "pay" for something, or a service to get you what you want, does not make it legal.

Not bashing or arguing with PlayOn users...I am just legitly asking about how they stay online and not taken down.
I thought i had read they have been taken down or had issue in the past.

This is what is posted on Playon Site ....

PlayOn Lets You Download Streaming Shows Legally and Safely

PlayOn enables you to download Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, Supernatural, and other streaming shows legally. It is different than using torrent sites which violates the DMCA (Digit Media Copyright Act). PlayOn is a streaming DVR for downloading streaming videos and it never lets you download content you don't already have access to. Here’s how: use PlayOn Cloud or PlayOn Desktop to make a legal recording of every episode of your favorite shows with your own credentials and then download your personal recording of Game of Thrones and other shows to your PC/Mac/mobile device to watch anytime, anywhere, even offline. And yes, PlayOn is legal and has been around for many years now.

Is PlayOn Legal? | www.playon.tv

ah. so it kinda like TVE then.

edit: LOLZ they cite a law old the Sony BetaMax case....hhahah. 1984 laws.

however, there is still the issue of the TOS or legal arguments you the user technically agree to when u sign up for things like Hulu, that state you are not allowed to download, save or record said content that streams on their service,...but no one reads that and, how would those services even tell you are screen capping or recording the signal with a hdmi capture box and a china made hdmi splitter that strips drm and content protection from the signal....

and one could say you are legally paying to STREAM the content, not record your own copy if it. but...idk. streaming services are technically different thing than your old cable tv or antenna and a vcr. i guess, by modern terms, but under 50+year old laws, maybe not?

So, this PlayOn thing for Channels,
The locked thread and doc says it auto downloads the video file to Channels.
Is it locked into channels? or is it a normal .mp4 h264 file that can be used anywhere?
(the pages do not say this)

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And most copyrights are governed by the Copyright Act of 1976 (and its myriad amendments/extensions). What's your point?

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The file is recorded to PlayOn's Cloud service. Channels then retrieves this file and saves it into Channels' local storage. It is a standard unencrypted video file.

All of this information was contained in the thread if you read it.

That by that same arguement and 1976 laws....torrents are legal use by those ancient laws, since they, the tech and method of distribution was unheard of them back then and thus do not apply to tor. but....that is a whole nother topic and discussion that i do not mean to get into here...

I am just curious about this Play On thing and how it works with Channles.
and if it would be any more usefull than what i already imploy

that specific question and answer fact it is not in the OP talking about the new feature.

u cant expect people to read hundreds of posts to get info that should be in the first post
(but i do see some user posts saying its mp4 files, but dont see it said by the devs at brief scroll

nor on the page of documentation is it stated

EDIT: ok. that link to support article and announcement is outdated. i found newer post i had not seen a link to.

but i still say it is the same thing in the end. no difference where or not i pay for access to say a netflix exclusive series by paying for the service, but deciding to torr the whole series and watch it on my tv instead of streaming in via the netflix app. same thing you are doing with play on. it records/rips the content, and downloads the file to you own dvr player software

just playon is a legal loophole. :wink:

might consider this cause i am lazy or just hate the hulu and netflix apps.

wonder if PlayOn can record Philo as that is the streaming service i use, that already cloud records tv shows for all the channels. but on second thought, thats tv channels not streaming content like what on hulu etc (but those services have same tv shows and even a live tv option too...sooo)

Playon puts a disclaimer at the beginning of each Video with your Name Email and IP that you will not distribute.

O? they hard code personal info into the video file???
first i have herd of that.

but, even if that is so, u can easy trim that out by remuxing the file, even remove the info form the file meta data easy

It is evident you do not use it so why worry about it ? Either use it or not up to you.

Cause i am considering using it and have valid concern about how it works with channels, what i have to pay for, and if it is any better than what i do now(tor and manual hdmi capture).....why else would i ask about it. there is no playOn user form, the link just says under construction. and also would not be useful since it is integrated into Channels dvr.

Also, no where in the Channels dvr documentations does it note that, what was posted here, that the playon files have hard coded personal info so that when u play them on your Channels dvr, every user of that, some who may have remote access, will see. That is another question of legality. since Channels DVR allows for remote access, technically, is that not a form of distributing that content should you then have multiple users, that is most always the case for such home dvr setups like Channels,plex emby etc. that issue is not addressed in their legal docs on play on...that is the integration of their service into a third party app. so the question is not is PlayOn legal, but is Channels DVR use of integrating it into their own software legal. I don't want to see Channels in legal trouble and end up being shut down. a valid concern.
Does it then mean that if a Channels user allows remote access for others to watch the captured content, that then makes it illegal? Since that is distributing it via streaming to someone else? another valid concern and question user need to know and be informed of. things NOT mentioned in the Why its legal page you keep linking to and quoting or keep saying is the legal reason behind why using torr is illegal.

I mean really...and also it was in the past a negative thing here back couple years ago when many people would ask about it. same as with Channels supporting m3u streams, that was generally frowned upon or dismissed by the devs cause most wanted to use illegal iptv streams and record them, at that time. Its a change in development.

"ut is a DVR software forum the place to consider your possible future violations of copyright law?"
yes. when said software integration is put into legal software that does the same thing as illegal software processes.

"With torrents you have paid for no such license"
As i said and explained, when i PAY for the stream service already, I have the paid license to the content access.....what difference is it if PlayOn rips it (which is paying a third party who makes a profit off it) and puts(or is technically disturbing it to me) as a free to use mp4 file on my server, vs i pull the a recorded file from a torrent or capture it myself with my own hardware. same program content being captured and imported to local dvr.

I can pay for legit Philo streaming service to access say DIY channel legally. But, since Philo does not have the option to record and download the cloud recorded shows to my home dvr, i choose to record the web stream or VOD stream of the channel/program, that i have legal access rights to(since i pay for the legal service of Philo)...so,,,,again, how is it any different with in context to the end result. a recorded .mp4 file from a online stream source that gets put onto my local dvr.

Their explanation as to how they are legal, does not make much sense to me. Nor does most folks response that pretty much skirts around the question or just cop outs with, u no like it, dont use it. Sounds like you are just paying a middle man service to rip said content for you, but they somehow have managed to ride the line of legality when you look at how other processes or services work. So excuse me for being cautious and skeptical about it. regardless of how long they claim to stay in business. The stream platforms always change things and i have read posts about it being unreliable long term and breaking after said platform updates/changes their DRM or such

PlayOn is legal because of fair use laws. You’re recording content you have paid to have access to.

With torrents you have paid for no such license. It’s not complicated and comparing the two is silly.

That’s the answer so I’m closing the thread.

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PlayOn is (theoretically) staying legal by abiding by their current practices. If you wish to modify the file you receive from PlayOn, you are now the one legally responsible, no longer PlayOn.

But is a DVR software forum the place to consider your possible future violations of copyright law?

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