If so that's a helluva lot of missing PIDs.
I haven't seen any data on any of the Satellite sites with a list of PIDs that long.
Yeah. Somehow it believes there should be 18 PIDs on that TS. Not sure how to diagnose that.
There are a huge number of tools you can run on your recording to get information out. In this case there are multiple programs being advertised because the tuner is not updating the PAT table when it filters to a specific channel.
Packet 498 is PAT
Program list:
Program 10335 -> PID 0104 (260)
Program 10329 -> PID 0107 (263)
Program 10321 -> PID 0106 (262)
Program 10340 -> PID 010e (270)
Program 10332 -> PID 010c (268)
Program 10336 -> PID 010f (271)
Program 10339 -> PID 010d (269)
Program 10331 -> PID 010b (267)
Program 10341 -> PID 0103 (259)
Program 10310 -> PID 0100 (256)
This is not ideal but shouldn't be an issue.
I confirmed the slowness in the file you uploaded is related to the missing teletext data.
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So when we request our Sat>IP URL there’s nothing we should be doing differently? It has to be downstream from there?
Yes, tvh will create a clean single-program stream that is fully compliant.
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Just noticed this:
v2024.04.06.1946
IMPROVED: Updated backend UI framework and Android libraries
IMPROVED: Tuning speed on some DVB-S streams with missing subtitles/teletext
So I have updated and can confirm that, without any changes my end, it now "tunes" much much faster - a couple of seconds max now even on the HD channels 
Brilliant customer service, especially on a weekend. 
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I'm so happy with this improvement and Channels in general that I've just changed from monthly to annual subs and also left the team a tip for a coffee or beer as a thanks for doing this at the weekend. 
Where else would you get that sort of response? Channels and the team rock!!
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I have tried this beta on my Apple TV and unfortunately I'm not seeing any increased tuning speed. I submitted some diagnostics going after surfing a few channels, may I ask if there's anything that can be gained from my setup?
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I need a tuner capture to investigate
And diagnostics sent from the client app
Interesting as when I updated the Server, im only on this version?
2024.04.04.1838
Up to date!
@tmm1 is this because im running the DVR server on my Synology NAS?
I think it is the client beta that you need to be on, not the server.
Guys, the updates on this thread have made me get my satellite TV back up and running fully... 3 satellites in 1!
I will now be able to provide FTA channel / M3U lists for:
Hotbird 13e (Europe)
Astra 19.2 (Germany)
Astra 28.2 (UK Freesat)
We need to think about how we can make channel lists available to everyone running SATIP. Any thoughts welcome. I was hoping that the developers may let us pin a post on this forum where we can all have access (noting that this is to provide a list / M3U for your own SATIP, not offering any sort of free IPTV).
Any ideas / comments on how to share channel lists etc would be appreciated.
As I write this, I am currently scanning 3 satellites simultaneously and already up to +700 FTA channels!
Thanks.
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Put it on github. I'm sure others may need this for their setup
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I know I’m the OP for this thread 
, but I’m a little out of date since my digibit broke.
What is the current status of Sat-ip in Channels (specifically for UK Freesat content), is it suitable as a daily driver? Do you still need an intermediary tvheadend server? Any suggestions on a good reliable replacement for my digibit?
Thanks!
I'm running a Kathrein EXIP418 as my "daily driver" for FTA channels in the UK. There were some initial issues with slow tuning, but a combination of the devs tweaking stuff in the software and me finally getting a decent set of SATIP data, it is now totally reliable.
I'm not using TVHE or any intermediary just a M3U Satip file. It works better than HDHRs in my opinion as you have complete control over channel numbers. Also there are more channels than terrestrial and quite a few are of better quality. I reckon it's now the best solution in the UK.
Neil has posted a comprehensive M3U file for UK freesat here
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I did see you posted about that device in another thread - it looks very good. Maybe a bit more than I hoped to pay, but open to it if it's reliable.
Do you load the m3u in channels or in the device? In terms of channel management I guess you just hand edit the m3u?
And last question - are channel changes as quick / quicker than HDH? Randomly I configured the channels addon in kodi today and that seems quicker than the app.
You just set it all up in Channels as a custom source. You obviously need to set the IP to that of your device in there. I've also changed the channel numbers to my own preferences. On the Kathrein all you have to do is make sure the settings match your LNB. I use 2 ex-Sky Q wideband feeds, so just set it to wideband and all tuners to dynamic, which is the default and that's about it. It then just receives all the tuning info from the Channels M3U.
Channel changes are now nearly, but possibly not quite, as quick as they were on the HDHRs. 2 to 3 seconds max I would say.
It is expensive but with 8 channel feeds it's the same number as 2 HDHR quattros which would be around the same price (ish!)
If you're looking for an easy life and tweaking with your TV setup isn't for you, I don't think Sat>IP is - a Freeview receiver like the HDHomeRun will auto discover/scan etc.
Although I agree, the off-air quality of a satellite is probably better and more choice, especially in HD, you have a lot of channels to get through and also have to work out whether the region is correct, something you don't need to worry about with terrestrial as it's coming from your local antenna. One also needs to check whether any frequencies have moved and one of the benefits for me using TVHeadend is I can check this quite easily. We have 35 channels carefully selected and in the order I'd like them, with the channel logos I want and Channels is perfect for this.
Plug and play = no, but I prefer it and I agree with @GeoffT, the EXIP418 is an excellent piece of kit and has been very reliable for me.
It's early days but the UK's new online streaming service looks promising, Freely, and may come to an app on a 3rd party device one day rather than built into a tv.
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Hi @tmm1 - I'm trying again with an m3u channel list rather than going via TVHeadend. After your changes, I'm still getting slow tuning with the URLs (using @neild7744 list - thank you!)
I'm using an Apple TV 4K latest version, using the latest version of Channel and I've tried channels Beta on TestFlight and I get ~10 seconds tuning tine, compared to ~3-4s going via TVHeadend with the same EXIP418 tuner.
Any chance you could suggest any solutions? Thank you
Just stumbled across this thread and thought you all might be interested in this post I made a few years ago, about how to use TVH for Freesat in the UK with a SAT>IP tuner. There are a few non-obvious things in there that once I learnt really helped my setup and now I don't touch it at all - rock solid.
I will say that while theoretically I also would like to have a standalone M3U so I don't need TVH in the middle, actually it has a tiny footprint and has valuable services that would either have to be recreated elsewhere, or just missing. I'm already running Channels DVR in a container, so a TVH container next to it is trivial.
What I did wonder though is how to grab whatever the URLs are that TVH makes to passthrough from the SAT>IP tuner to Channels - if there was a way to get them then a workflow could be to spin up TVH, create a channel list using it's tools, grab the actual direct URLs in the background and use them directly, then shutting down TVH and only revisiting to 'retune' every so often.
But in any case, I have no trouble running TVH at all, it does have a steep learning curve and a mental UI/UX paradigm, but maybe my little guide will help. Happy to expand/update it also - in fact I will move it to Github and repost later.