Great networking advice from .... gamers

[slampman]

Just food for thought.... generally when you have the opportunity (new construction. Renovations etc) it is better to run wired connections. Wifi is great and it can be fast but it is still only half duplex and latency is always higher than wired. Add in the fact that there are a TON of variables that you have to account for on a regular basis. Your neighbor makes a change that affects you, you buy a new appliance, AP starts acting up etc. Also most of the time legacy devices can drag down the performace of newer faster devices. So if you want a set it and forget it, wired is the way. Dont get me wrong, i run 6 AP's in my 3300sq ft house. But that is just for devices that arent able to be wired.

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[Edwin_Perez]

I get faster duplex speeds than any ethernet cable between the units and each one has 4 gigabit ports.

Opinions .... everybody has one

[slampman]

You might get peak faster speeds but its still half duplex.

[sdust]

@slampman

You might get peak faster speeds but its still half duplex.

This shouldn't matter. Channels should not be as sensitive to latency as gaming. I can kill my DVR server by switching the network card to half duplex mode

# ethtool -s eth0 duplex half

[slampman]

Sorry i didnt mean that wifi cant ever meet the threshold needed for channels. I was speaking generally wired vs wifi.

[sdust]

@slampman

Sorry i didnt mean that wifi cant ever meet the threshold needed for channels. I was speaking generally wired vs wifi.

Wi-Fi can meet the needs of Channels if it is heavily over-provisioned:

TVE channels freezing every few seconds

From your channels client go into the setup and run the thing that tests the speed to the dvr server. That should be 150Mbps or better for smooth operation.

Wonder what it would take to remove the overprovisioning requirement ...

[Edwin_Perez]

My FireTV 4K MAX wireless speed test gets 325.48... My Galaxy S21Ultra gets 469.99

[slampman]

I dont think it is an overprovisioning requirement. I think that what he means is that if you have less than 150mbit you probably have other problems (dropped packets, high latency, interference).

[sdust]

@slampman

(dropped packets, high latency, interference).

1. that's a lot of assumptions
2. if you can watch 4k videos requiring 25Mbps from the internets it shouldn't even matter

[slampman]

If i am reasonable distance from my AP on 5ghz i should expect north of 100mbps. If i struggle to get 25 then there are other issues at play. 25mbit connection over a suspect wifi connection and a 25mbit ISP qos rate limited connection are 2 totally different things. Like a car with engine troubles that struggles to go 25mph and a perfect working moped that tops out at 25mph.

[sdust]

@slampman

25mbit connection over a suspect wifi connection and a 25mbit ISP qos rate limited connection are 2 totally different things. Like a car with engine troubles that struggles to go 25mph and a perfect working moped that tops out at 25mph.

so you are objecting to having your packets delivered by a moped? Doesn't make any difference. Your less then perfect network has more latency and probably jitter too. None of this should affect your ability to watch local videos.

This unreasonable requirement for an overprovisioned network is to cover the issues in the code.

The issues with getting neterr on a hardwired HDHR devices when clients are watching on wifi could be tracked to a problem where the DVR server is blocking because a wireless client had a hiccup:

Search results for 'neterr' - Channels Community

This shouldn't stop the DVR from reading from a hardwired HDHR device.

[slampman]

Im not objecting to anything. I'm saying that you will have issues over a wifi network that has rf issues., If you do a speedtest and you have slow speeds over your local network there is more of a chance than not that you will have issues.

I guess what puzzles me is why are you the only one that is having issues? Channels DVR works fine for me and 99.999999% of the other people in a home type setup.

[sdust]

@slampman

I guess what puzzles me is why are you the only one that is having issues? Channels DVR works fine for me and 99.999999% of the other people in a home type setup.

I am moving to a new home and so far the wireless networking requirements are being driven by Channels.

[slampman]

Is it 10k sq feet and you have an 802.11b access point?

[Fofer]

@sdust

the wireless networking requirements

“Great networking advice from gamers:”

@sdust

Hard-Wired or Go Home

Or… fix your broken WiFi. The problem is with your network, not with Channels DVR.

[sdust]

@slampman

Is it 10k sq feet and you have an 802.11b access point?

I have Ubiquity UniFi / Network / Wi-Fi – Ubiquiti Inc.

[sdust]

@Fofer

Or… fix your broken WiFi. The problem is with your network, not with Channels DVR.

You are missing the point. Unless the network is 10x over-provisioned it is considered "broken".

[Fofer]

And yet:

@slampman

I guess what puzzles me is why are you the only one that is having issues? Channels DVR works fine for me and 99.999999% of the other people in a home type setup.

[sdust]

I guess this thread will go the way similar threads went in the past. First, without addressing the core of the concerns, an assault from members of the "People's Will" sect and then the devs will "gracefully" close the thread

[Fofer]

You’ve discussed tools that test speed and the latency of a network connection.

Please share with the class the stats revealed by your own tests of your own WiFi connection.

We note you haven’t changed your posting style. And that it’s not WHAT you’re saying that’s necessarily problematic, or annoying, but rather HOW you’re saying it.